one take away, paul ryan spent his dae by the time talking about mitt romney. joe biden spent his debate time talking about joe biden and that's the different. the goal of a vice-presidential debate do no harm and promote the guy on the top job and pretty clear that joe biden thinks he should have the top job. stuart: and a clear question, going into the debate the romney camp clearly had momentum. do you think that debate stopped that forward momentum for the romney camp? >> i really don't. let's say that the snap polls you cited earlier and that joe biden won going away. i don't concede that fact, if it is true, 1988 probably the best performance of a vice-presidential nominee, lloyd benson and george w. bush still won 40 states. and the vice-presidential debate is not really all that impactful to the overall trajectory of the campaign and i think that paul ryan did a good enough job and did enough to promote mitt romney and really mitt romney the person and joe biden admitted that mitt romney is a good man and i think that's what had to come out of debate an